Practicing with Night Vision

wigwamitus

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Aaron was nice enough to try to re-collimate my PS-22, so I went out tonight to test it.

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Using Ruger .308WIN bolt gun with PS-22. All shots 25yds prone, bones only



TEST 01

VO 1-6x (3x)
1 rd x DM18A1B1 10gr, 4000FPS 7.62 NATO
low centered
cranked up 15 clicks

1 rd x DM18A1B1 10gr, 4000FPS 7.62 NATO
a little high centered
cranked down 5 clicks

2 rdS x DM18A1B1 10gr, 4000FPS 7.62 NATO
10 ring

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2 rds Hornady 125SST, Lite
10 ring



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TEST 02

L&S 3.5-10x (3.5x)
2 rds Hornady 125SST, Lite
low centered
cranked up 20 clicks

2 rds Hornady 125SST, Lite
a bit low and a tiny bit right
cranked up 20 clicks

2 rds Hornady 125SST, Lite
9 ring right side

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Interpretation

The VO looks good
The L&S looks a bit to the right

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Next steps

Tomorrow I will try both scopes during the day to see where they are.

Tomorrow night I will repeat tonight's test.
 

wigwamitus

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Rifle as configured with 3.5-10x scope and PS-22

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wigwamitus

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2015-12-06
1030-1230
8 MPH NW
45F

Goals: 5.56(14.5) with modified record test from FM 3-22.9 (2011)

Environment: Breeze from NW, Sunny, mild. Wind from 330 from 400yds and 300yds FP and from 315 from 200yds and 100yds FP.

Equipment: 5.56(14.5) with EOTECH + 3x, CQBL at 3 o'clock, sling, FLC 62gr xm855.

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Archive photo - T-20 ir-illuminator not mounted today, CQBL ir-laser mounted, but not used.

Activity:

The record test is 4 magazines of 10 rounds each. Two magazines are fired prone supported (or foxhole) form 300yds, one magazine from 200yds prone unsupported and one magazine from 100yds kneeing. The record firing allows 120 seconds for each 10 round magazine. I generally fire one round every 2-3 seconds, which does not feel particularly fast. I did use the full 2 mins for the 400yds FP. I used NRA silhouette targets that look like the targets we used in the army I was in.

I modified the test as follows: One magazine from 400yds prone unsupported, one magazine from 300yds prone unsupported, one magazine from 200yds standing, leaning on buggy and one magazine from 100yds standing unsupported. I have been practicing more than the average recruit in basic, so I make the test harder for me.

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G01 - 400yds - 10rds - 1 miss.
The first 2 rounds did not fire. I charged the weapon after each miss-fire and continued to fire. Eight rounds were fired at this station resulting in 1 miss and 7 hits. After emptying the magazine and picked up the two rounds on the ground, reloaded them into the magazine and refired them, with the same result, neither round fired. I repeated once again, same result. In a real record fire situation, I believe I would have been allowed 2 additional alibi rounds. So, now I know I need to bring extra "alilbi" rounds to the field when I do this!
For the first 5 trigger squeezes, I tried "magazine as monopod" and this is more stable, but, given the terrain, it was not a comfortable position for my neck. So after the fifth trigger squeeze (3 rds down range) I switched to bones only prone, putting me higher up. I also spent a little time extending the stock before firing the first round. The high round was me aiming wrong.
I had memorized the holds for 100, 200, 300 and 400yds. For 400yds, the hold is up 1.5 inches, which I call "no hold". I am zeroed at 25yds. And at 400yds I am shooting at 15 degree down angle.
My wind estimate was 8 MPH at 30 degrees off the bullet path or a 5 inch wind hold. I aimed at the center of the shoulder to my left. to account for wind.

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G02 - 300yds - 10rds - 1 miss.
All 10 rounds went down range this time, but still one miss, I rush things a bit and don't aim well sometimes. The hold was 8.8 inches down. Wind was the same. I aimed at the bottom center of the shoulder to the left side of the target. I used prone bones only.

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G03 - 200yds - 10rds - 1 miss.
Again, all 10 rds went down range. Wind was now 45 degrees off the bullet path, but I was lower down and bullet path was more shielded from wind. I aimed at the bottom left of the shoulder to my left. Hold at -5 degrees was 8 inches down. Again I rushed things and missed one, not aiming at the correct spot. I was standing up, leaning against the buggy to my left.

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G04 - 100yds - 10rds - 0 misses.
All 10 rds went down range. Nominal elevation hold is down 6.6 inches. I aimed bottom center of the target. I fired standing unsupported. The wind was pushing me around a bit.

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Results: So 3 misses and 2 alibi's, optimistically, if I had hit with the abilibis this would have been "expert", if I had missed with both alibi's this would've been sharpshooter again (35 out of 40). The record fire procedure requires 36 hits out of 40 to gain expert. But including alibis you are not allowed to fire more than 40rds down range.


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FYI, color codes for the groups:

G01 - single green dot for hit, single red dot for miss
G02 - green dot on top of orange dot for hit, red dot on top of orange dot for miss.
G03 - green dot on top of red dot for hit, red dot on red dot for miss.
G04 - two green dots for hit.
 

wigwamitus

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Day job work consumes about 60 hours per week. My "advantage" is my commute ... all the way from my bed room to the corner living room "office". I work for a (SF) Bay Area tech start up. After a career of being a developer and an IT Director, I'm now running the customer service/account management team for said start up. My team has people in SF, in Oregon, in San Jose, in Romania and in Vietnam (oh and in Kansas!). So it doesn't matter where we are as we are "virtual" at least in terms of geography.
Since I work in the day, that gives me plenty of time to shoot at night (3-4 nights per week, the nights before my wife goes to work - 3 times a week) ... and I usually only get to shoot in the day once per week.
 

wigwamitus

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Taking out the trash used to just mean rolling our trash barrel 150yds down our "drive way" to the "road" ... but lately it has taken on a double meaning ... got a couple for rats out the way ... these were small ones out in the open .. they use the "no move" defense when out in the open.

So, I didn't get to test the Bushy + TRS-32 or the T10s any more last night. After I got done taking out the trash, I had to deliver some mail. Got three more rats doing that. By then it was 11pm and I had to start shutting down for the 0500 wake up call. Will try again with the Bushy + TRS on Wednesday night.
 
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You're just having way too much fun there, tagging rats of all sizes. Tag you some 'yotes while yer at it.
 

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Trying to dump all/most of these carcae in one area so the yotes can get used to feeding there ... then "wham" :)
 

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wigwamitus

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got new upper from aaron yesterday and also new xd50 thermal. Hung existing lower under the upper and hung the rifle under the new (giant but light) xd50. Manual talked about "one round zero".
Went out and fired one rd and hit bull - one round zero - manual was correct!!! :D

Last night went out a saw rat, fired one rd, rat dead. This is an amazing setup!!!

Thanks to Aaron for the "one shot" system!!!

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Looking through the xd50a (384, 50mm, 50hz) the image seems at least as good as the Zeus 75mm, at least out to 300-400yds. I did see what was probably a deer a 400yds at it looked a little blurry regardless of focus, but inside that distance, objects were amazingly clear. It was a good thermal performance night last night.
I was skeptical, thinking the "good pulsar image" I'd been hearing about might be software enhancement (I am a software guy for my day job). But after looking through it, it is the core. These "lithuanian cores" are special !!!
 

wigwamitus

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Out today working on fence ... rain starting up ... saw a tree rat it ran up a tree ... stalked into a position (first away ... then around behind a building allowing concealed approach ... then out from behind the building saw tree rat in tree at 30yds ... I need to aim about 1.5 inches low at 30yds ... but it was up angle into the tree offsetting that ... so aimed center of mass ... hit center of mass on entry ... exit gutted the critter saw guts hanging down from the tree as/after it fell. Got a pic I'll upload in a bit.
The 77gr smk makes a mess of this small critters.
2 shots at rats, 2 kills.
I hope Aaron didn't pour too much of his accurizing juice on this setup !!
In the rain of course, things are "greying up" but still able to see fine. I'll try to go out tonight and get some video.
 

wigwamitus

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Spent much of early part of evening winterizing big sprayer ... took much longer than I expected ... there is still a flow problem somewhere ... but got the RV antifreeze pushed all the way through the system and out all the nozzles ...

Raining ...
Looked around a bit with the xd50 on the way back from the vehicle building ... lots of grey ...but could navigate ... saw 3 deer in the alfalfa patch at 400yds through a 50yd tree line ... that is about equivalent to my old 336 Apollo (42mm), but I think the Zeus 75mm can beat that. At shorter distances, again, the xd50 is extremely clear image, even though shades of grey. Better than the Zeus ... but I think the 75mm lens still wins out past about 300-400yds depending on conditions.
 

wigwamitus

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Last night got two more rats ... one big one little ... when hit with the 77gr the little one seemed to "explode" when viewed through the thermal and actually only one significant sized body part remained and even it was not recognizable. The big one got gutted - it was a mess. You don't want to get hit with a 77gr at point blank range I'm learning that much!!

Raining today .. moved some bales then did a check around the pastures ... all the pipe bridges and dams are gushing. This is a much rain as we've had in a week all year!
With the pulsar xd50a I could see horses at 800yds and terrain, but could not see the targets on the berm.
 

wigwamitus

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Got another rat this evening at 30yds ... "it exploded" also into many white pieces (white hot) ... but there was one recognizable body part remaining. This one was hand sized.
I think I will switch back to the .22lr eley subsonic HP for rat slayer, but the test with 77gr SMK has been useful.

The experiment with the 77gr has shown me that if I ever need to go to war, you can't have "too much bullet" :D

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So far with the new Aaron setup, .223 wylde + pulsar xd50 I am 5 rats for 7 rds expended ... 2 thumb sized, 1 hand sized, 2 double-hand sized.
 

wigwamitus

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Went out in the rain with pulsar and .223 wylde with 77gr got 5 rats ... one big, 4 hand sized ... 8 rounds. The big rat took three hits.

Had friend with no NV/Thermal experience look through both Pulsar XD50, 50mm, 50hz, 384, 2x and Zeus 75mm, 30hz, 640, 3x. On questioning, he said Zeus could see the dots (rats) better but Pulsar could see the terrain better. Actually he said "this one" and "that one" but I am translating. :)

I was surprised at his report, as I thought the Zeus actually looked better overall, but wanted to report the data from the other viewer as well.

It has been raining about 80% of the time for the past 36 hours. So things are pretty greyed out. But both thermals could see the buildings fine and the dirt mounds where the rats hang out. The Zeus seemed to be able to get a sharper image on the buildings at 70-100yds away, but the Pulsar probably did have better contrast, while the Zeus brightness was a little better ( a little lower). The Zeus could see the rats better, but the Pulsar was on the gun and had been out in the rain while I was riding on the 4-wheeler, so it had water on the rear lens. The Zeus had been in a pouch and had dry lenses. The more frequent auto FFCs might be helping the Pulsar, as when I looked through the Zeus I had just turned it on and it looked good. After I went and got the rats with the Pulsar, and came back and looked through the Zeus again, it did not look as good, it was more washed out. The Pulsar also looked worse as it had more water on both lenses now.

For tonight it is a close call, I give the nod to the Zeus, guest viewer gave the nod to the XD50. There will be other nights.

I used the pulsar for 3 nights and two days, quite a bit and the batteries finally died tonight. While I was chasing the rats, the battery indicator, which had already been flashing white, had switched to red (really low). But the pulsar worked until after I got back in the house and turned it off. I guess technically the batteries haven't died, but it is definitely time to replace them. I had a spare pair in my pocket, in case I needed to change in the field but I did not. I must say I am impressed with the battery consumption. I believe I would have gone through at least two sets and been on the third with the Zeus over the three nights and some in the two days. Both the Zeus and the Q-14 eat batteries compared to the pulsar. I didn't expect that. It would be nice if the Pulsar had a remote.

I need to get some video going. I wonder if the Armasight video cables will work with the Pulsar. I doubt it!
 

wigwamitus

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Have friend coming over for ~12hr shooting practice wednesday, so moving everything around. Here are the two rifles I will be using:

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In the foreground, the CMMG .22lr upper with the new Pulsar XD50 attached.

To the rear is the 5.56(18) with the L&S 6.5-20x scope.

Barely visible under that rifle is the VO 1-6x mrad which will be used on the .22LR for day time shooting.

Friend will bring two rifles:

PTA .22LR (my old .22lr upper I sold him on one of his lowers)
REM700 .308WIN bolt gun
We will use my L&S 3-18x H58 scope on both of his rifles for day night shooting and put the Zeus on the PTA for the night time rat slaying.

We will engage in three "stages":

01 - Morning - LR shooting simulation with both .22lr out to 300yds. The forecast is for 16 MPH wind from the NNW which will be right in our faces :).

02 - Afternoon - Intermediate range shooting with the 5.56(18) and .308WIN bolt gun out to 600yds.

Friend is learning LR shooting, I am "coaching" haha ... but we will do wind estimating and distance estimating, use of ballistics calculators, holding with the reticles, etc. We will first practice with the .22LRs doing this and then with the 5.56(18) and .308WIN.

I will use the BH 77gr SMK out of the 5.56(18) and I zeroed yesterday at 50yds. This means I am also zeroed at 200yds. The hold at 600yds is 4.2 mils up on level ground (we will be shooting down hill, so actual hold will be a little less) and this is doable with the reticle without needing to crank the turret.

I am out of my usual eley edge for LR shooting, so I will dig in to some eley match, which is pretty much equivalent, though it costs 50% more so I don't like to shoot it much.

03 - Night - Rat slaying - this will be with both of the .22lr reconfigured as night guns, with the thermals replacing the day scopes.

I will have the xd50 on the CMMG upper and will put the Zeus on the PTA upper. We will also switch off 3 times (about every 30m) during this session to enable two person comparison of the two thermals. I'm very interested in this aspect. And friend has very limited exposure to thermals, so his opinion will be more unbiased.

We will both use eley subsonic hollow points for this stage.
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It is supposed to be clear, so I will use the q-14 on the helmet for spotting and carry a pvs-14 on a lanyard around my neck if needed to avoid falling in the creek while navigating. Friend has his own pvs-14 on his helmet.

Allowing 3 hours for each stage, including necessary zeroing in each stage and allowing for 2 one hour breaks between stage 1-2 and stage 2-3 and allowing for 30m unpack and 30m repack time, it will be a busy 12 hours, 8am to 8pm.

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Went out last night with the XD50 on the .22lr. The way I've been using the q-14 on the .22lr is to walk and scan almost continuously while out. Well the q-14 is half a pound and the xd50 is 1.5 pounds and that matters! I was getting arm fatigue. Can work on the sling, but this will be an issue with this style. I guess I need to figure out exactly what weight lifting exercise to do to work on the needed muscles because I like that "walking/scanning" style. I do regular 360s and critters that are alive have a hard time hiding from that style - and I am also pretty much ready to shoot the whole time. But that will be tougher with the pulsar due to one measly pound!

In zeroing with the pulsar yesterday, I had to make adjustments and got used to that. I can do it now without having to read the manual prior to every button push :).
 

wigwamitus

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2015-12-06
0830-1130
30F
15 MPH NNW

Goal: Our "Stage One" to run .22lr(s) out to 300yds for distance and wind estimating practice. Friend James out shooting with me for the day.

Environment: Cool and windy, but sunny and clear. Initially the mud was frozen, but it thawed later.

Equipment:
(James) PTA upper, stag arms lower. L&S 3-18x H58, Harris 9-12 bipod, Eley Match. Bushy 1 mile LRF, AB on phone.
(Joe) CMMG upper, SA lower. VO 1-6x MRAD, Eley Match. Bushy 1600 LRF, AB on phone, Kestrel 2500 NV.


Activity:
We zeroed initially at 16yds. We had both new CMMG upper and old PTA upper I sold to friend James who was shooting with me all day today. Zeroing at 16yds, would also mean we were zeroed at 100yds, which was the goal as this would reduce our holds at 300yds. Zeros at 16yds, went easily. James used bipod, I used bones only as I have been lately. I find it generally more comfortable and often easier to obtain neutral position. At 100yds, the PTA was dead on, however the CMMG was exactly 1 mil low. We were using exactly the same lot/batch of eley match ammo (out of eley edge), both barrels 16 inches. To save time, I cranked up one mil and was now zeroed at 100yds (though presumably not at 16yds). At 100yds and under we were significantly protected from the wind by a tree line and so did not hold for wind.
We then went to 200yds and again I was low, 1.6 mils, so cranked that. For some reason this rifle exhibited a symptom of subtracting a consdierable amount from the MV. On the other hand, the PTA was still dead on at 200yds in terms of elevation. I am coaching James on distance estimation and wind calling, so he did all the calculations, using my kestrel and his own new LRF and AB. Wind estimation was a little high at 200yds and both groups were a little left (towards the wind) while my group was also considerably low.
At 300yds, James called 11.2 average so that was a 3 mil hold for wind. I trying to extrapolate increasing my elevation hold, by cranking an extra 3.5 mils. It was still not enough, just barely on the bottom of the paper. However, the wind call was good. James group was centered around our stick on bull. I cranked up some more, but then my rifle started jamming, whereas he had another good group. I decided to do cleaning of CMMG upper during lunch break as this rifle would again be needed for our Stage Three at night.
So good news bad news. The primary objective was acheived with James getting good experience using his own gear for distance estimating and doing all the arithmetic for the wind calling. Determining wind direction and of course wind speed (2 miniute average) and then making adjustments for bullet path and wind barriers, like tree lines. I don't think this is something one can learn in a few hours, but if one will learn it, one must start down the path!

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2015-12-06
1300-1615
40F
20 MPH NW

Goal: "Stage Two" repeat of first stage but with .308WIN and 5.56 rifles out to 600yds.

Environment" A little warmer a windier, sunny and clear. Frozen mud mostly melted, so we had unfrozen mud :).

Equipment:
(James) REM700 .308WIN (20 inch barrel), harris 6-9 inch, L&S 3-18x H58, Freedom Munitions 168gr AMAX. Bushy 1 mil LRF, AB on phone.
(Joe) 5.56(18), Atlas Bipod, L&S 6-5-20x TMR, Blck Hills 77gr, Bushy 1600, AB on phone, Kestrel, Manfrotto Tripod.

Activity:
We zeroed initially at 50yds. This would also zero us both at 200yds. This was a lucky coincidence as I would not expect 20 inch .308WIN and 18 inch 5.56 with totally different ammo, so have the same parabola. But AB said they did, so we started with that. Again 50yds zero no problem. We fired until both shooters got 3 consequtive rounds within 1 inch circle. Not hard with those guns, from prone bipod at that distance. We ran both scopes on 12x ... for consistency (in case we had to switch guns) and as this is a good magnification to use with CO-LR NV clipon.
At 200yds, the 5.56(18) was dead on. The .308WIN on the other hand was way low. If we would go to 600yds, I wanted to be solid on the .308WIN so I suggested a "bold adjustment" and we dropped down to 150yds and I keyed in 2400 MV instead of the 2700 MV I had started with. We were still very low, with next guess being 130yds and 2200 MV. But at this point James noticed the scope base was lose and flopping back and forth. That would be an RTB fix and would cost us 30m travel time in and out and would put us off the whole schedule for the day, so we decided to call the .308WIN "down" and proceed with only the 5.56(18) to 600yds.
So double questions for the day. Why was the apparent MV on the CMMG upper so low compared with the PTA upper? And why was the apparent MV for the .308WIN so low compared to previous us of this rifle and ammo? I have no answers to either question at this point.
So, we went up to 600yds, I say "up" because this involves a foot trek through rough pasture to a higher elevation. But we got there and James lased the target and we setup. The weeds (all dead but many still having standing stalks) were about knee high on average. To "burn through" the weeds, I have to crank maximum magnification, but that worked. And I gave James a turn on the gun so he could find the targets as well. James then took the wind readings. But by the time all that was done, the sun had shifted, the targets were in shadows and the sun was glinting off the weeds near to us. We could no longer see the targets. We needed to be higher up. So to the rescue came the new Manfrotto Tripod and the idea that "You will rarely take a prone shot" :D. So James ran down 150yds to the buggy and back with the tripod. I stayed prone on the gun. It took him a long time to get back. I wanted to prove a point, that even in wide open pasture, where nothing can hide ... it is possible to be concealed. The point was taken :) even knowing I was there he had to wander around and hunt to find me. So we setup the tripod, recalled the wind. The calculations said hold up 4.2 and left 1.5 mils. I outsmarted myself and argued for 1 mil, so I held one mil. Holding up 4.2 mils was easy as the TMR reticle has .2 mil marks between the 4 mil and 5 mil subtensions. When it was James turn on the gun, I had him hold 1.5 mils.
Then we packed up for the journey back down to the target. My group was right 10 inches (half a mil) James group straddled the bull. The 5.56(18) was dead on for elevation even at 600yds with both groups having a 6 inch variance on elevation. The windage variation was 10 inches for both groups, so sub-2MOA.

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Continued due to length ...

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2015-12-06
1700-2030
30F
05 MPH WNW

Goal" "Stage Three" rat slaying with both .22lrs and thermals.

Environment: The wind had almost died down which was bad for us as our sounds would not be as muted by the environment. New moon was at highest point at sunset, also not good for hunting. The creeks were still running, thus building sound barriers for us, so this was good at least.

Equipment:
(James) PTA upper, stag arms lower, eley subsonic hollow point, viking sling, Zeus 3x, 75mm(640, 30hz) thermal, ABNV14 on PT helmet.
(Joe) CMMG upper, SA lower, eley subsonic hollow point, TIS sling, Pulsar 2x, 50mm(384, 50hz) thermal, Q-14 1x, 19mm (640, 30hz) thermal on OPCORE helmet, PVS-14 in pouch.

Activity: James had quick dinner and setup and zeroed both rifles. I had cleaned CMMG upper during lunch break and test fired it with sub HP ammo 5 rds rapid fire, no issues. James zeroed both rifles at 30yds. Actually I helped zero the Pulsar. He would bring me back pick of his 3rd group and I would adjust the pulsar (due to the "fancy" menu system). After 2 iterations he had 3 rd group in the center of the hand warmer. No stoppages for either gun.
We got geared up and headed out right on schedule.

Alas we did not see many critters. Perhaps the recency of the zeroing had run them to ground. I've seen many critters every night (except one) I've been out in the past 6 weeks, but not tonight with James here. We did see one rat in a dirt pile, but this displayed a weakness of the Zeus. At close distances the Zeus cannot focus and we were about 15yds, so things were fuzzy. James fired two rounds and I could see them hit the dirt in the area around the rat. I fired one rd and got a stove pipe. Three subsequent attempts same result. Is the cold a factor? I had lubed the "bolt carrier group" with the silicon lube, which is supposed to be good down to -110F. Next we saw two deer at 600yds, which was a good test. We swaped rifles back and forth to observe. James thought the Pulsar image was "less fuzzy". I thought the images were about the same. Then we saw a smaller critter on the ground near Turtle creek and stalked up to try to find it. On the way we saw four deer up in the pasture at 150yds. We stalked through the Turtle Creek "valley" and got to within 50yds of the deer which had bedded down while we were stalking up. We could clearly see their heads sticking up over the weeds. We did not however, ever catch site of the ground critter, which might have been a skunk which I see around there on occasion. We continued our journey around the 5 acre "human" area inspecting all the various dirt and wood piles, no further rats were seen. We did see numerous hot rocks and we even engaged one of them to see if it would move. It did not :). Crossing over into the Apple orchard, still no moving critters observed. We finished the session with me pointing out some constellations overhead. Orion, Casiopeia, Andromeda, etc. all very visible last night.

On balance James liked the Pulsar better than the Zeus and for what we were doing, the pulsar was certainly better. At greater distances and in worse conditions, I suspect the Zeus will be better. Actually the q-14 at 1x is really the best for short distance rat slaying. Having all three, 1x, 2x and 3x in use in one outing was a good experience.

This also gave us pratice in hand signaling and taking position and scanning designated sectors, etc. Because I knew where we were going and the safe fields of fire, we agreed I would lead and James would follow behind me. If I wanted him to approach me closer to communication (whisper) I would motion him forward with right hand. If I wanted him to approach and obtain firing position on my left I would use left hand. This told him instantly whether he was to prepare to fire or just to communicate. I would stand feet side by side to define the primary direction of fire. Many more practice sessions needed before we get good at it - but again - you have to start down the path to make progress.

James, the photographer took many more pics than I did. I will post his when I get them. Here are the few I took:

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James on the .308WIN at 200yds.

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My poor attempt to take a through the lens pic at 600yds. At least you can see one of the targets.

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James taking his much better sequence of through scope pics at 600yds. The 5.56(18) is on the Manfrotto.

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James engaging target at 600yds with the 5.56(18)

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