Practicing with Night Vision
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wigwamitus
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2015-11-11
2030-2130
50F
40 MPH WSW
Goal: Poke around the wood piles for rats.
Environment: Cloudy and high winds. No moon or stars.
Equipment: .22LR, eley subsonic hollow point (new ammo). Sling, q-14 on rifle.
Activity: Chased two rats, got one, these are small ones, maybe I got most of the large ones. Pic of the one I got, the other one dove under the tallest part of a wood pile and I could not see him. I circled around slowly, no joy. I walked away 100yds and returned from a different direction, no joy. At one point I thought I spotted a nose and laid down to get a better luck, but he had withdrawn. Every now and then the critters win.
But with the q-14, once I have shot at a critter one has not escaped. Not true with the ir-laser as the second coon did get away. I only got one shot at that coon and my lead was too much and too high (I think).
2030-2130
50F
40 MPH WSW
Goal: Poke around the wood piles for rats.
Environment: Cloudy and high winds. No moon or stars.
Equipment: .22LR, eley subsonic hollow point (new ammo). Sling, q-14 on rifle.
Activity: Chased two rats, got one, these are small ones, maybe I got most of the large ones. Pic of the one I got, the other one dove under the tallest part of a wood pile and I could not see him. I circled around slowly, no joy. I walked away 100yds and returned from a different direction, no joy. At one point I thought I spotted a nose and laid down to get a better luck, but he had withdrawn. Every now and then the critters win.
But with the q-14, once I have shot at a critter one has not escaped. Not true with the ir-laser as the second coon did get away. I only got one shot at that coon and my lead was too much and too high (I think).
wigwamitus
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Manfrotto 190xpro3 and 322RC2 head secured. Learning to go through setups now. That is 5.56 18 inch on top.
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I broke two of the primos trigger sticks so far this year. One lasted 6 months the other only 1 month ... and the PRS tripod I bent last year, so went "up market" to something with a little more "heft" to it.
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I broke two of the primos trigger sticks so far this year. One lasted 6 months the other only 1 month ... and the PRS tripod I bent last year, so went "up market" to something with a little more "heft" to it.
wigwamitus
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Well, you asked! 
With the first primos gen2 trigger stick, I used it day and night for 6 months ... call it 26 weeks ... I go out 3-4 nights per week and shoot 1 day every other week. So call it 4 outings per week. Then 26*4 is 104 ... so I used it 104 times (probably) with all my rifles except the .338LM (20 pounds plus fully loaded). The heaviest rifle I used on the Primos' was the 7.62 Rifle which is 15 pounds fully loaded.
The first one worked fine through all that.
But then I got the 4-wheeler.
I screwed up. I bungied a bunch of gear on there, three different pieces of gear all bungied together with 4 different bungie chords. So when I got out to the field and all I wanted was the trigger stick, I would either have to unloosen all the gear by removing the bungies, or try to extract the trigger stick by pulling it out. Dumb Joe tried the latter method. That put too much stress on one leg and that leg was then "dead" as far as the trigger operation was concerned. I can move it by hand and that one doesn't slip. So it is still usable, but it is not usable as a "one hand" trigger stick any more. So called that "caused by Joe" and got a second one.
The second one worked fine for a month and then it didn't. One leg got loose. This one is sort of usable as a bipod, but the third leg is just dangling and slipping ... so I call this one "not very usable". And I cannot attribute this one to any specific event causing stress to the device. I woke up one day and it was broke.
Net/Net I decided these devices are too fragile for dumb Joe and so I decided to get the Manfrotto.
As to the older PSR tripod, I ran over it with the buggy and bent the leg a bit. But it is still completely functional and until I got the Manfrotto the PRS is what I have been using lately.
The Manfrotto is heavier, but the 322rc2 head is one handed 360 motion and release it and the rifle is locked into place. So you aim with your support hand on the mount joy stick and your firing hand on the gun. I think it is a good long range tripod.
Including the "Pig saddle" and the QR adapters, the whole beast was about $550 to the door. So again it is "up market" with respect to the Primos and the PRS, but if I treat it right it might last a while. One person I've talked to has had one for 7 years.
With the first primos gen2 trigger stick, I used it day and night for 6 months ... call it 26 weeks ... I go out 3-4 nights per week and shoot 1 day every other week. So call it 4 outings per week. Then 26*4 is 104 ... so I used it 104 times (probably) with all my rifles except the .338LM (20 pounds plus fully loaded). The heaviest rifle I used on the Primos' was the 7.62 Rifle which is 15 pounds fully loaded.
The first one worked fine through all that.
But then I got the 4-wheeler.
I screwed up. I bungied a bunch of gear on there, three different pieces of gear all bungied together with 4 different bungie chords. So when I got out to the field and all I wanted was the trigger stick, I would either have to unloosen all the gear by removing the bungies, or try to extract the trigger stick by pulling it out. Dumb Joe tried the latter method. That put too much stress on one leg and that leg was then "dead" as far as the trigger operation was concerned. I can move it by hand and that one doesn't slip. So it is still usable, but it is not usable as a "one hand" trigger stick any more. So called that "caused by Joe" and got a second one.
The second one worked fine for a month and then it didn't. One leg got loose. This one is sort of usable as a bipod, but the third leg is just dangling and slipping ... so I call this one "not very usable". And I cannot attribute this one to any specific event causing stress to the device. I woke up one day and it was broke.
Net/Net I decided these devices are too fragile for dumb Joe and so I decided to get the Manfrotto.
As to the older PSR tripod, I ran over it with the buggy and bent the leg a bit. But it is still completely functional and until I got the Manfrotto the PRS is what I have been using lately.
The Manfrotto is heavier, but the 322rc2 head is one handed 360 motion and release it and the rifle is locked into place. So you aim with your support hand on the mount joy stick and your firing hand on the gun. I think it is a good long range tripod.
Including the "Pig saddle" and the QR adapters, the whole beast was about $550 to the door. So again it is "up market" with respect to the Primos and the PRS, but if I treat it right it might last a while. One person I've talked to has had one for 7 years.
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Could a guy swap a good leg over from one, to the other... making one usable again, and the other one a parts donor?
The new one does look to be rather sturdy, congrats on the new toy.
The new one does look to be rather sturdy, congrats on the new toy.
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wigwamitus
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Looking at the leg to body connections on the primos, I would say YES. Dang it ... Ratdog68 joins the ranks of the GENIUS club !!!
wigwamitus
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BTW, breaking the first Primos, taught me that each piece of gear needs to be separately bungied to the 4-wheeler. Furthermore, in order to facilitate rapid deployment of gear and rapid pack up to move again, each piece of gear needs to have a specific spot where it gets bungied every time and a specific way it gets bungied and a specific bungie chord it uses to be bungied. And each aspect needs to be practiced so it can be done quickly in the dark. What a dumbass I was for not knowing this already !!!
It also means I needs LOTS of bungie chords so I have plenty of dups because they wear out also.
It also means I needs LOTS of bungie chords so I have plenty of dups because they wear out also.
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A couple of thoughts for you. Concerning the legs which no longer "lock" into place. Say a feller were to manually "lock" these legs in their fully extended length (or, the length used for standing behind one's weapon/spotting scope/spotting thermal...)? Making it more useful stationary, but usable... extend that leg to the desired spot, and secure it via cocks combing (wrapping it) to keep it from collapsing? A great means of that is with paracord . Now, you have one able to standby at your shop/garage/porch... so it is more than a parts donor heap collecting dust.
Cocks Combing... two good ways, one leaves you with a spiral appearance, another with a straight line appearance. To determine how much cordage needed, do enough to complete one inch worth, measure how much cordage was used for one inch, then measure total inches needed and multiply by that ratio.
Spiral: A series of half-hitches, nothing more elaborate. Secured at each end by burning/pressing the end in place when melted.
Straight: A series of half-hitches, only difference being, once the half-hitch is tight... reverse direction of your wrap to tie the next one. Repeat the reversal with each half-hitch.
Now, with that done, you have "x" number feet of cordage handy for emergency use.
Now, as for the numerous/assorted lengths of bungee to stock/not lose in the field... short lanyards tied to the gear ends. Tie lanyard loops to your other piece of gear where you need to connect them, use a "Night Eyes" brand "S-biner" to clip them together. One end of the S-biner remains attached at all times, no losing/sorting bungees in the dark... just clip to the lanyard loop. No tieing knots in the dark either.
This is an example of each style, however, the one on the left is done by doing two series of spiral wraps, beginning 180* opposite, and alternating tieing one cord, then the other one... going in opposite direction of wrap to create the diamond appearance instead of a spiral. A "Turk's Head" knot in another color is done over top to conceal the transition. The wrap on the right side is the Straight version described above.
"S-Biners" come in various sizes. They come in plastic as well as metal.
I wrapped a tomahawk handle in the straight wrap, and my mono-pod shooting stick in a spiral wrap.
Cocks Combing... two good ways, one leaves you with a spiral appearance, another with a straight line appearance. To determine how much cordage needed, do enough to complete one inch worth, measure how much cordage was used for one inch, then measure total inches needed and multiply by that ratio.
Spiral: A series of half-hitches, nothing more elaborate. Secured at each end by burning/pressing the end in place when melted.
Straight: A series of half-hitches, only difference being, once the half-hitch is tight... reverse direction of your wrap to tie the next one. Repeat the reversal with each half-hitch.
Now, with that done, you have "x" number feet of cordage handy for emergency use.
Now, as for the numerous/assorted lengths of bungee to stock/not lose in the field... short lanyards tied to the gear ends. Tie lanyard loops to your other piece of gear where you need to connect them, use a "Night Eyes" brand "S-biner" to clip them together. One end of the S-biner remains attached at all times, no losing/sorting bungees in the dark... just clip to the lanyard loop. No tieing knots in the dark either.
This is an example of each style, however, the one on the left is done by doing two series of spiral wraps, beginning 180* opposite, and alternating tieing one cord, then the other one... going in opposite direction of wrap to create the diamond appearance instead of a spiral. A "Turk's Head" knot in another color is done over top to conceal the transition. The wrap on the right side is the Straight version described above.
"S-Biners" come in various sizes. They come in plastic as well as metal.
I wrapped a tomahawk handle in the straight wrap, and my mono-pod shooting stick in a spiral wrap.
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wigwamitus
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Last year I needed a 8 foot pole to adjust yagi antenna on roof when wind blew it, so I lashed 2 5 foot cottonwood sticks together with a few dozen wraps of some para chord and I think the resulting stick was strong in the center than elsewhere!
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2015-11-15
1000-1200
50F
12 MPH S
Goals: First field test of Manfrotto 190xpro3 tripod with 322rc2 head and pig saddle.
Environment: Windy and cloudy.
Equipment: Above, referenced tripod, 5.56(18) with 55gr xm193 and Zeus. 7.62(16) with Amax168 and L&S 3-18x(9x). Kestrel and LRF.
Activity:
DOPE card for Zeus 3x 75mm(30)
100yds : -15 E
200yds : -14 E
300yds : -10 E
500yds : -03 E
First with the 5.56(18) off the pig saddle/Manfrotto combination
G01 - 5 rds - 100yds - 10+9+8+8+5 - avg 8
Terrible score. I have a recent habit of starting off badly, not in the "groove" in this case, in the final second of aiming, light trigger (3lb timney) sent round down range before I was ready. This happened with the first 2 rounds. I've been shooting the 5lb trigger on the .22LR too much lately! There is a case to have all triggers the same weight.
G02 - 3 rds - 200yds - 7+6+6 = avg 6.3
In general for today, the wind was an issue with the tripod. Not the wind blowing the bullets around, but the wind blowing ME around. So there was a lot more "wobble" in my aiming. In this case, windage was much more consistent than elevation.
Wind measured to 5.4 MPH for the 2 minute average at 200 degrees off the bullet path, AB says that is a 1 inch hold, so I tried to aim at the left edge of the handwarmer. Apparently the wind was more than 5.4 avg at 200 degrees somewhere on the bullet path, as I got a verticle string.
G03 - 3 rds - 300yds - 9+9+8 avg 8.6
Wind was 7.5 mph at 240 degrees off the bullet path, so aimed at the left edge of the paper, which is 10.5 inches wide, so this was a 5.25 inch hold for wind. Got lucky, everything lined up and hit the black.
G04 - 3 rds - 500yds - 9+8+6 avg 7.66
Wind was 7.9 mpg avg for 2m. Each firing point (FP) is at a higher elevation, so the wind is higher and the direction changes as I move farther up the draw I shoot in. The draw tends to channel the wind, but at the top of the draw, this effect lessens. Wind direction at FP was 200 degrees off bullet path, so I tried to hold 20 inches, which was 2 widths of the target paper.
At 500yds, I could see the black circles on the right hand target board (which would be used for the 7.62 shooting later) more clearly than the handwarmers. The effect of the handwarms was to almost wash out the black circles.
The emissivity of the black circles must be different that than of the white paper. Sometimes this distinction is very noticable through the thermal and sometimes it is completely unnoticable. I can't predict it.
Next back to 100yds to go with the 7.62 and the day scope.
G11 - 5 rds, 100yds - 10+9+8+8+8 avg 8.4
Not a good result, poor aiming on my part.
G12 - 3 rds, 200yds - 8+8+8 avg 8
Wind picking up, avg 10.4, held .5 mil up and .5 mil left.
G13 - 0 rds, 300yds.
checked ammo and realized I did not have enough for both 300yds and 500yds, so I skipped 300yds and went straight to 500yds.
G14 - 3 rds, 500yds 9+5+0. Avg 4.66
Wind avg 12.1 high 16.8 ... the gusts were strong, sharp and comming quickly and "slapping" me around. Very wobbly. One round not on paper. Held 3.9 up and 1.25 left. Actually, due to the wobble, I held that amount and then looked at where the cross hair was and then tried to aim at that spot.
Results/Summary:
The tripod works, but in wind like this, standing up in the open pasture is not indicated. In these conditions, I should try kneeling or sitting, so will do that next time. The wind just blows ME around too much, creating too much wobble.
The 5.56(18) has no "rail covers" and fit tightly into the pig saddle. The 7.62 does have rail covers and they are an issue in this case. I will probably remove them. They do help when shooting standing unsupported. I will just have to remeber to wear a glove on the support side hand.
The 7.62 had a fail to fire on the first round, the roll pin for the trigger was hanging half out. I put it back in and continued. I think this means the trigger screws are loose, I will tighten them.
Have to figure out how to clear head and get down to business with the first round. Can't afford "warm up" shots.
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2015-11-15
2000-2200
50F
15 MPH S
Goals: Rats
Environment: Windy with light rain.
Equipment: .22lr, eley subsonic hollow point, sling, q-14, ir-laser, pvs-14 on helmet.
Activity: Got 4 rats, here is pic of first 3, forgot to take pic of last one. Distances ranged between 1 yard and 30yds. Three of the rats were "one thumb" and one was a "two thumb" size. I have not seen any of the large "hand sized" rats in the past week.
Two of the rats were around the wood shed and the other two were in a large dirt pile behind the vehicle building.
Thermal conditions were poor. I could see the rats as white blobs on a grey background. Could not estimate the size of the rats or the shooting distance, this lead to several first shot misses. In general the rats were much closer than I estimated. Hence I needed to hold higher.
Results/Summary: Deposited the rats around the pond area. There were some Coyote droppings in one spot and I left two rats around there. The Coyotes and Joe often communicate with with each party leaving things in the same spot for the other.
On the roll out to the pond a Coon and I surprised each other at about 5 yds. The Coon had about 50yds to make it to the wood line, I had to stop the 4-wheeler and pull up the .22lr and fire. The coon was heading directly away from me and I missed. I presume I was high, the aiming point was to lay the cross hair on the top of the white blob. I suspect the Coon was farther away than I estimated. I was thinking I was aiming for 20yds and maybe it was really at 40yds. Also the grass is high enough around there, that I could probably only see the top half of the coon again distorting my perception of size and distance given the thermal conditions.
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2015-11-15
1000-1200
50F
12 MPH S
Goals: First field test of Manfrotto 190xpro3 tripod with 322rc2 head and pig saddle.
Environment: Windy and cloudy.
Equipment: Above, referenced tripod, 5.56(18) with 55gr xm193 and Zeus. 7.62(16) with Amax168 and L&S 3-18x(9x). Kestrel and LRF.
Activity:
DOPE card for Zeus 3x 75mm(30)
100yds : -15 E
200yds : -14 E
300yds : -10 E
500yds : -03 E
First with the 5.56(18) off the pig saddle/Manfrotto combination
G01 - 5 rds - 100yds - 10+9+8+8+5 - avg 8
Terrible score. I have a recent habit of starting off badly, not in the "groove" in this case, in the final second of aiming, light trigger (3lb timney) sent round down range before I was ready. This happened with the first 2 rounds. I've been shooting the 5lb trigger on the .22LR too much lately! There is a case to have all triggers the same weight
.G02 - 3 rds - 200yds - 7+6+6 = avg 6.3
In general for today, the wind was an issue with the tripod. Not the wind blowing the bullets around, but the wind blowing ME around. So there was a lot more "wobble" in my aiming. In this case, windage was much more consistent than elevation.
Wind measured to 5.4 MPH for the 2 minute average at 200 degrees off the bullet path, AB says that is a 1 inch hold, so I tried to aim at the left edge of the handwarmer. Apparently the wind was more than 5.4 avg at 200 degrees somewhere on the bullet path, as I got a verticle string.
G03 - 3 rds - 300yds - 9+9+8 avg 8.6
Wind was 7.5 mph at 240 degrees off the bullet path, so aimed at the left edge of the paper, which is 10.5 inches wide, so this was a 5.25 inch hold for wind. Got lucky, everything lined up and hit the black.
G04 - 3 rds - 500yds - 9+8+6 avg 7.66
Wind was 7.9 mpg avg for 2m. Each firing point (FP) is at a higher elevation, so the wind is higher and the direction changes as I move farther up the draw I shoot in. The draw tends to channel the wind, but at the top of the draw, this effect lessens. Wind direction at FP was 200 degrees off bullet path, so I tried to hold 20 inches, which was 2 widths of the target paper.
At 500yds, I could see the black circles on the right hand target board (which would be used for the 7.62 shooting later) more clearly than the handwarmers. The effect of the handwarms was to almost wash out the black circles.
The emissivity of the black circles must be different that than of the white paper. Sometimes this distinction is very noticable through the thermal and sometimes it is completely unnoticable. I can't predict it.
Next back to 100yds to go with the 7.62 and the day scope.
G11 - 5 rds, 100yds - 10+9+8+8+8 avg 8.4
Not a good result, poor aiming on my part.
G12 - 3 rds, 200yds - 8+8+8 avg 8
Wind picking up, avg 10.4, held .5 mil up and .5 mil left.
G13 - 0 rds, 300yds.
checked ammo and realized I did not have enough for both 300yds and 500yds, so I skipped 300yds and went straight to 500yds.
G14 - 3 rds, 500yds 9+5+0. Avg 4.66
Wind avg 12.1 high 16.8 ... the gusts were strong, sharp and comming quickly and "slapping" me around. Very wobbly. One round not on paper. Held 3.9 up and 1.25 left. Actually, due to the wobble, I held that amount and then looked at where the cross hair was and then tried to aim at that spot.
Results/Summary:
The tripod works, but in wind like this, standing up in the open pasture is not indicated. In these conditions, I should try kneeling or sitting, so will do that next time. The wind just blows ME around too much, creating too much wobble.
The 5.56(18) has no "rail covers" and fit tightly into the pig saddle. The 7.62 does have rail covers and they are an issue in this case. I will probably remove them. They do help when shooting standing unsupported. I will just have to remeber to wear a glove on the support side hand.
The 7.62 had a fail to fire on the first round, the roll pin for the trigger was hanging half out. I put it back in and continued. I think this means the trigger screws are loose, I will tighten them.
Have to figure out how to clear head and get down to business with the first round. Can't afford "warm up" shots.
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2015-11-15
2000-2200
50F
15 MPH S
Goals: Rats
Environment: Windy with light rain.
Equipment: .22lr, eley subsonic hollow point, sling, q-14, ir-laser, pvs-14 on helmet.
Activity: Got 4 rats, here is pic of first 3, forgot to take pic of last one. Distances ranged between 1 yard and 30yds. Three of the rats were "one thumb" and one was a "two thumb" size. I have not seen any of the large "hand sized" rats in the past week.
Two of the rats were around the wood shed and the other two were in a large dirt pile behind the vehicle building.
Thermal conditions were poor. I could see the rats as white blobs on a grey background. Could not estimate the size of the rats or the shooting distance, this lead to several first shot misses. In general the rats were much closer than I estimated. Hence I needed to hold higher.
Results/Summary: Deposited the rats around the pond area. There were some Coyote droppings in one spot and I left two rats around there. The Coyotes and Joe often communicate with with each party leaving things in the same spot for the other.
On the roll out to the pond a Coon and I surprised each other at about 5 yds. The Coon had about 50yds to make it to the wood line, I had to stop the 4-wheeler and pull up the .22lr and fire. The coon was heading directly away from me and I missed. I presume I was high, the aiming point was to lay the cross hair on the top of the white blob. I suspect the Coon was farther away than I estimated. I was thinking I was aiming for 20yds and maybe it was really at 40yds. Also the grass is high enough around there, that I could probably only see the top half of the coon again distorting my perception of size and distance given the thermal conditions.
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2015-11-16
2000-2200
50F
15 MPH SSW
Goal: Take out the trash.
Environment: Windy with rain, no moon, no clouds, dark.
Equipment: .22LR, eley subsonic hp, sling, ir-laser, q-14, pvs-14 on helmet.'
Activity: Rolled the trash can out to the road (150yds). Had gear on. Then went to explore the apple orchard area (haven't been there recently). Saw three critters near the "log cabin" from about 25yds. The first two were moving very quickly and later I decided they were small rats (which live in our log cabin).
Summary/Results: Poor thermal night. By frequent execution of manual FFC, I was able to sustain a tiny bit of terrain awareness. But mostly it was critters as white blobs against the grey background. For movement over any distance, I flipped down the pvs-14. I left the ir-ill on the helmet on, in case some eyeballs appeared. The ir-laser was on the rail in case. The new pressure pad works fine.
2000-2200
50F
15 MPH SSW
Goal: Take out the trash.
Environment: Windy with rain, no moon, no clouds, dark.
Equipment: .22LR, eley subsonic hp, sling, ir-laser, q-14, pvs-14 on helmet.'
Activity: Rolled the trash can out to the road (150yds). Had gear on. Then went to explore the apple orchard area (haven't been there recently). Saw three critters near the "log cabin" from about 25yds. The first two were moving very quickly and later I decided they were small rats (which live in our log cabin).
Summary/Results: Poor thermal night. By frequent execution of manual FFC, I was able to sustain a tiny bit of terrain awareness. But mostly it was critters as white blobs against the grey background. For movement over any distance, I flipped down the pvs-14. I left the ir-ill on the helmet on, in case some eyeballs appeared. The ir-laser was on the rail in case. The new pressure pad works fine.
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2015-11-17
2100-2300
50F
10 MPH S
Goal: Check the human area
Environment: Windy rain stopped, though all day rain created mud conditions, moon was setting by the time I went out.
Equipment: .22LR, eley subsonic hp, sling, ir-laser, q-14, pvs-14 on helmet.'
Activity: Intended to head down the creek aways and inspect a large "rats nest" on the edge of the "race track" area and got one rat. The hollow points are making a mess of the smaller rats.
Climbing up the steep sides of the dirt pile (10-15 feet high at various points and about 100 feet long and 30 feet wide) in the mud conditions to get the rat was tough and I might not do that every time. If I see the rat stop moving for 2 minutes and I see it. Then I will call it a kill. I did get this one and I could see it splatter when I hit it and I could see "material" lying around the main body with the thermal.
2100-2300
50F
10 MPH S
Goal: Check the human area
Environment: Windy rain stopped, though all day rain created mud conditions, moon was setting by the time I went out.
Equipment: .22LR, eley subsonic hp, sling, ir-laser, q-14, pvs-14 on helmet.'
Activity: Intended to head down the creek aways and inspect a large "rats nest" on the edge of the "race track" area and got one rat. The hollow points are making a mess of the smaller rats.
Climbing up the steep sides of the dirt pile (10-15 feet high at various points and about 100 feet long and 30 feet wide) in the mud conditions to get the rat was tough and I might not do that every time. If I see the rat stop moving for 2 minutes and I see it. Then I will call it a kill. I did get this one and I could see it splatter when I hit it and I could see "material" lying around the main body with the thermal.
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Yer Wiggieness... here's what I was talking about concerning a means to lock your pod's legs which you mentioned. This is the spiral wrap, done in two different camo colors. I did my staff for a couple of reasons, to add stiffness/strength, to muffle the clang of metal, and to have some cordage on hand for emergency need. A guy can burn through a hank of cordage for "this and that" and not have any when really NEEDED.
The lanyard on the staff is fixed, simple Diamond (Lanyard) Knot at each end of the loop. The Pacing Beads are Chinese Button Knots, which slide up and down to help you measure distance travelled.
This is the straight wrap on the hawk. At each end is a Turk's Head to add decoration.
The lanyard hangs as two tails (won't snag/catch on stuff), until you slide the Chinese Button Knot down. Once you do that, put your thumb through the loop and let the lanyard lay across the back of your paw as you grip the handle. When done, slide the Chinese Button Knot back up to the handle, and the tails hang loose once again.
The lanyard on the staff is fixed, simple Diamond (Lanyard) Knot at each end of the loop. The Pacing Beads are Chinese Button Knots, which slide up and down to help you measure distance travelled.
This is the straight wrap on the hawk. At each end is a Turk's Head to add decoration.
The lanyard hangs as two tails (won't snag/catch on stuff), until you slide the Chinese Button Knot down. Once you do that, put your thumb through the loop and let the lanyard lay across the back of your paw as you grip the handle. When done, slide the Chinese Button Knot back up to the handle, and the tails hang loose once again.
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wigwamitus
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Wow, that's some fancy rope tying!!!
I'd better be careful or I will come up with a few dozen ideas
I'd better be careful or I will come up with a few dozen ideas
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One of my cousins got me started on it. He was USN during 'nam, then a career Merchant Marine, retired as a ship's Capt. He does it all from memory, I still have to refresh myself with a cheat sheet with many things. LOL
wigwamitus
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I lived in Jax, Fla for about 10 years and sailed small boats out of the St. Johns and over to the Bahamas and back, so I learned some knots, but these pics looks like "knots on steroids" !!!
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I've been practicing with 5.56(14.5) with xm855 62 grain ... unknown distance shooting between 25yds and 400yds, prone unsupported, kneeing, supported and standing with sling ... and tightening things up. Have been using the EOTECH single dot with 3x.
Then I see this
USSOCOM Issues Safety of Use Message for EOTech Enhanced Combat Optical Sights - Plus More Goings On - Soldier Systems Daily
Then I see this Spitfire 3x for $265 (normally $449) ...
http://smile.amazon.com/Vortex-Opti...r=8-1&keywords=vortex+spitfire+3x+prism+scope
Has anyone had problems with EOTECH - any problems?
Has anyone tried the Spitfire?
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The only problem I have had with my EOTECH is having is shut off while firing, twice. I believe this is because I was using Tenergy rechargable batteries. I no longer use those batteries in the EOTECH and the problem has not recurred (in one year). I've been using my EOTECH since about May 2014, it has been either on .22LR or on 5.56(14.5).
If I got the Spitfire it would replace the EOTECH on the 5.56(14.5).
Then I see this
USSOCOM Issues Safety of Use Message for EOTech Enhanced Combat Optical Sights - Plus More Goings On - Soldier Systems Daily
Then I see this Spitfire 3x for $265 (normally $449) ...
http://smile.amazon.com/Vortex-Opti...r=8-1&keywords=vortex+spitfire+3x+prism+scope
Has anyone had problems with EOTECH - any problems?
Has anyone tried the Spitfire?
==
The only problem I have had with my EOTECH is having is shut off while firing, twice. I believe this is because I was using Tenergy rechargable batteries. I no longer use those batteries in the EOTECH and the problem has not recurred (in one year). I've been using my EOTECH since about May 2014, it has been either on .22LR or on 5.56(14.5).
If I got the Spitfire it would replace the EOTECH on the 5.56(14.5).
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wigwamitus
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Ooo - do you have a link please?