ATF new ruling on sig pistol brace

theblakester

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Tell me about it.,. There's another bill that protects kids grade K through 5 from getting punished for chewing their poptart a into the shape of a gun or pointing their finger like a gun.... That's sad
 

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Well, if there is any question still about the aforementioned letter and its validity or the intent of the ATF, I have this gem for you guys...

From http://www.atf.gov/content/Firearms/firearms-industry PDF form... http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...ter_on_the_redesign_of_stabilizing_braces.pdf

OPEN LETTER ON THE REDESIGN OF “STABILIZING BRACES”

The Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received inquiries from the public concerning the proper use of devices recently marketed as “stabilizing braces.” These devices are described as “a shooter’s aid that is designed to improve the single-handed shooting performance of buffer tube equipped pistols.” The device claims to enhance accuracy and reduce felt recoil when using an AR-style pistol.

These items are intended to improve accuracy by using the operator’s forearm to provide stable support for the AR-type pistol. ATF has previously determined that attaching the brace to a firearm does not alter the classification of the firearm or subject the firearm to National Firearms Act (NFA) control. However, this classification is based upon the use of the device as designed. When the device is redesigned for use as a shoulder stock on a handgun with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length, the firearm is properly classified as a firearm under the NFA.

The NFA, 26 USCS § 5845, defines “firearm,” in relevant part, as “a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length” and “a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.” That section defines both “rifle” and “shotgun” as “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder….” (Emphasis added).

Pursuant to the plain language of the statute, ATF and its predecessor agency have long held that a pistol with a barrel less than 16 inches in length and an attached shoulder stock is a NFA “firearm.” For example, inRevenue Ruling 61-45, Luger and Mauser pistols “having a barrel of less than 16 inches in length with an attachable shoulder stock affixed” were each classified as a “short barrel rifle…within the purview of the National Firearms Act.”

In classifying the originally submitted design, ATF considered the objective design of the item as well as the stated purpose of the item. In submitting this device for classification, the designer noted that

The intent of the buffer tube forearm brace is to facilitate one handed firing of the AR15 pistol for those with limited strength or mobility due to a handicap. It also performs the function of sufficiently padding the buffer tube in order to reduce bruising to the forearm while firing with one hand. Sliding and securing the brace onto ones forearm and latching the Velcro straps, distributes the weight of the weapon evenly and assures a snug fit. Therefore, it is no longer necessary to dangerously "muscle" this large pistol during the one handed aiming process, and recoil is dispersed significantly, resulting in more accurate shooting without compromising safety or comfort.
In the classification letter of November 26, 2012, ATF noted that a “shooter would insert his or her forearm into the device while gripping the pistol's handgrip-then tighten the Velcro straps for additional support and retention. Thus configured, the device provides the shooter with additional support of a firearm while it is still held and operated with one hand.” When strapped to the wrist and used as designed, it is clear the device does not allow the firearm to be fired from the shoulder. Therefore, ATF concluded that, pursuant to the information provided, “the device is not designed or intended to fire a weapon from the shoulder.” In making the classification ATF determined that the objective design characteristics of the stabilizing brace supported the stated intent.

ATF hereby confirms that if used as designed—to assist shooters in stabilizing a handgun while shooting with a single hand—the device is not considered a shoulder stock and therefore may be attached to a handgun without making a NFA firearm. However, ATF has received numerous inquiries regarding alternate uses for this device, including use as a shoulder stock. Because the NFA defines both rifle and shotgun to include any “weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder,” any person who redesigns a stabilizing brace for use as a shoulder stock makes a NFA firearm when attached to a pistol with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a handgun with a smooth bore under 18 inches in length.

The GCA does not define the term “redesign” and therefore ATF applies the common meaning. “Redesign” is defined as “to alter the appearance or function of.” See e.g. Webster’s II New College Dictionary, Third Ed. (2005). This is not a novel interpretation. For example ATF has previously advised that an individual possesses a destructive device when possessing anti-personnel ammunition with an otherwise unregulated 37/38mm flare launcher. See ATF Ruling 95-3. Further, ATF has advised that even use of an unregulated flare and flare launcher as a weapon results in the making of a NFA weapon. Similarly, ATF has advised that, although otherwise unregulated, the use of certain nail guns as weapons may result in classification as an “any other weapon.”

The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked.

Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA.

If you have any questions about the issues addressed in this letter, you may contact the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division at fire_tech@atf.gov or by phone at (304) 616-4300.


Max M. Kingery
Acting Chief
Firearms Technology Criminal Branch
Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division

It is my understanding that this came out on Friday. If you have any questions, feel free to give them a call. As can be seen in the PDF version from the ATF's own site, this an official statement by the ATF and representative of the ATF's current position on the matter.
 

FrankT

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Still based on "intent" and my intent is to strap on my arm...so no real change.
 

FrankT

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Well the intent has not changed but the use has and there is no reg on use. Besides unless you are on a public range, or Utube or taking pics who knows how you sue your weapon. I hardly think this is a major push as they are too busy selling guns to criminals.
 

DaveABQ

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You didn't read the letter, all previous versions of the letter have been revoked, intent is no longer applicable when saying you intended to use as an arm brace....that was in a previous letter and not in the ATF rules:

"The pistol stabilizing brace was neither "designed" nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a "redesign" of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked.

Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA".

The previous letter said if you used it wrong from how it was intended to be used, that was ok, not anymore.
 
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How that PDF got off track and started talking about flare guns and nail guns as weapons as examples I am not sure. Lets focus people.
 

DaveABQ

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true Dan, the ATF is reeling because they put out the first letter on the issue...

my thing is, its $200 for a Form 1 stamp, get one, its legal and if you decide to use an arm brace for other than what it is designed for, you're putting yourself in a legal situation you could have avoided
 

FrankT

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intent is in the new "ruling" and still it is not law or against the law...will have to wait and see...I really don't see much change unless it is banned from being sold.
 

FrankT

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good news, thanks
 

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FrankT

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I think the ones writing are the SBR crowd, gun owners against other gun owners is a sad thing..First of all we should all know the NFA is against our rights carries onerous rules and should be repealed. The SB-15 should be a reminder of that fact and all should get behind the repeal of the NFA for SBR's and suppressors.
 

bearhunter

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Maybe am missing something, but as long as the product is legal to own and install i fail to see how shooting style alone can make it a NFA itiem. eathier it is or not i would think, if i fire a rifle or shotgun with a pistol grip will they then become a pistol, cant see ATF winning this in court granted i don,t want to be first test case. in the end i feel they will have to bann brace from being sold or installed, or even go as far as to make AR and AK pistols classsed as SBR hope that don,t happen but i feel if they lose in court something of that sort will happen. why was it approved as a non NFA itiem to start with, like haveing FULL auto and semi switch on a AR and saying you are legal as long as u don,t tell us you dont tell us u intend to shoot full auto, AS frank said whole NFA regs on SBR,S and suppressors needs to be wiped from books, I saw a video from SIG were they basicly said see you in court to the ATF.
 

FrankT

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^^^^^^^^^^^YEP THIS!
 

DaveABQ

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unfortunate that it has to go where it is, in court, they ATF made their ruling on the brace, gave their letter with the reason why and then some people kept sending the letters and they should have responded with their initial ruling...but no...then they come up with the BS ruling reversing their original letter

I guess everyone agrees, why should they be the ruler of all things when there is a law, unfortunately questions always go to the ATF, what other means is there unless you take it to court?
 

FrankT

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I guess we all need to buy 2 and shoot as designed.

 
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