Which complete 7.62x39 complete rifle?

Taco

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Im not interested in building a gun. I’d like to use the many surplus ak mags and cheap ammo I have with a thermal and suppressor. Cmmg? Sig? I tried to search but can’t find what Todd was using. I suspect that with the steel case soft points the gun and can are going to get filthy. What factory guns are you guys running?
 

FrankT

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cheaper to get an upper from Radical or Sanders Armory, they run fine on an AR 15 lower, Lots cheaper than the Mutant Todd uses
 

bar-d

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cheaper to get an upper from Radical or Sanders Armory, they run fine on an AR 15 lower, Lots cheaper than the Mutant Todd uses
I agree. I was just trying to help the OP find what he was searching for. I built my "AR-47" with a Radical upper and Anderson lower. Using ASC mags I have not had problem one. I have shot cheap Russian steel to factory brass to my handloads. I have even pulled the FMJs out of steel Russian and replaced it with Hornady 123 gr. spire points.
 

der Teufel

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Not an AR-47, but I went somewhat the same route with my 300 BLK.
I have a Radical Arms upper with a keymod handguard mounted on a lower that I built. That way I get a better stock and a 2-Stage trigger, which I happen to like!
Recently I built up a .223 AR-15 for plinking and I put the bolt carrier group from the 300 BLK in it. I bought a NiBoron coated bolt carrier group for the Blackout since it tends to run dirty. It's a pistol-length gas system.
But, back on topic — getting an upper someplace like Radical isn't a bad idea IMHO. Accurate enough for hog hunting and mine's been reliable.
 

Taco

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I’m pretty well doing this just for the surplus ak mags and the many thousands of rounds of x39 I have. Cmmg says combloc surplus mags should work. Gonna go that route I guess.
 
Im not interested in building a gun. I’d like to use the many surplus ak mags and cheap ammo I have with a thermal and suppressor. Cmmg? Sig? I tried to search but can’t find what Todd was using. I suspect that with the steel case soft points the gun and can are going to get filthy. What factory guns are you guys running?
I have had great luck with my PSA KS47's. One with the factory 16 inch barrel and I swapped out the factory 10.5 for a Faxon 12.5 and it shoots lights out. Some folks have issues with AK patterned Pmags in these and the CMMG Mutant but this is mainly if you rest the gun on on the mag while shooting. In my case the tops of the feed lips on the Pmags have been shaved down by the bolt and BCG so it's not an issue. No problems with steel surplus comblock mags. Drop in a hiperfire trigger or anything that has more hammer fall energy and still still breaks light and crisp.
 

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Im not interested in building a gun. I’d like to use the many surplus ak mags and cheap ammo I have with a thermal and suppressor. Cmmg? Sig? I tried to search but can’t find what Todd was using. I suspect that with the steel case soft points the gun and can are going to get filthy. What factory guns are you guys running?

I just picked up a Primary Weapons Systems MK116 MOD 1-P. Took it out yesterday afternoon to burn some different flavors of Wolf through it, zero in the thermal and then went out and got it bloody. Great first hunt. I picked PWS for a few different reasons, but mostly b/c of the lessons they learned during their first run of x39 back around 2011-ish. Feed ramps, hammer spring, extractor etc....they have an excellent reputation and this rifle seems to be more of the same. I ran ASC mags last night fed like a beast. Have some CProducts on the way hopefully off backorder soon and a Ross Manufacturing Unimag as well just to try some different stuff. Of course I don't have a ton of reps with it, but on day 1 it lived up to the hype. Their long stroke piston design is taken from the AK's utilization of gas, not exactly, but pretty close. This was important to me not only b/c I have a suppressor coming for the restrictive gas block, but also b/c suppressed is just dirty to being with. Add in steel cased which tends to burn a bit dirtier and those were my reasons. DI is a great system too it's what Stoner built the AR upon so not knocking it, but I do think the piston design can have some merits albeit not essential. One thing I noticed was how dramatically reduced the felt recoil was coming down from a 308AR just amazing feels like my buddies AR 15 with bleed off gas block I'd say just a real pleasure to shoot. Only an A2 flash hider, but almost no muzzle deflection a brake is totally unnecessary on this rifle for my tastes. I definitely had to use a brake on my 308AR to get faster follow up shots. I just wanted to splurge a bit too! Here is the rifle all dressed out with first blood.

**FYI for those who are into bang for buck if you get a buyers club membership from Sportsman's Guide($40 annually) the have so many promos ever week most of them with free shipping it's the least expensive delivered price I've found.....supplanting my go to of SG Ammo who is now in 2nd place. TONS of 7.62x39 flavors
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I just picked up a Primary Weapons Systems MK116 MOD 1-P. Took it out yesterday afternoon to burn some different flavors of Wolf through it, zero in the thermal and then went out and got it bloody. Great first hunt. I picked PWS for a few different reasons, but mostly b/c of the lessons they learned during their first run of x39 back around 2011-ish. Feed ramps, hammer spring, extractor etc....they have an excellent reputation and this rifle seems to be more of the same. I ran ASC mags last night fed like a beast. Have some CProducts on the way hopefully off backorder soon and a Ross Manufacturing Unimag as well just to try some different stuff. Of course I don't have a ton of reps with it, but on day 1 it lived up to the hype. Their long stroke piston design is taken from the AK's utilization of gas, not exactly, but pretty close. This was important to me not only b/c I have a suppressor coming for the restrictive gas block, but also b/c suppressed is just dirty to being with. Add in steel cased which tends to burn a bit dirtier and those were my reasons. DI is a great system too it's what Stoner built the AR upon so not knocking it, but I do think the piston design can have some merits albeit not essential. One thing I noticed was how dramatically reduced the felt recoil was coming down from a 308AR just amazing feels like my buddies AR 15 with bleed off gas block I'd say just a real pleasure to shoot. Only an A2 flash hider, but almost no muzzle deflection a brake is totally unnecessary on this rifle for my tastes. I definitely had to use a brake on my 308AR to get faster follow up shots. I just wanted to splurge a bit too! Here is the rifle all dressed out with first blood.

**FYI for those who are into bang for buck if you get a buyers club membership from Sportsman's Guide($40 annually) the have so many promos ever week most of them with free shipping it's the least expensive delivered price I've found.....supplanting my go to of SG Ammo who is now in 2nd place. TONS of 7.62x39 flavors
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What type of accuracy do you get out of it on paper? When you can get a beast like this that feeds right why would you buy a mini 30 or AK. I still want their 11.5 7.62x39 upper.
 

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What type of accuracy do you get out of it on paper? When you can get a beast like this that feeds right why would you buy a mini 30 or AK. I still want their 11.5 7.62x39 upper.

Not yet put on paper. First night I had just enough time to use steel for thermal. Came back a few days later and did a quick set of my irons using the 4" steel at 50. It was as dead on as I can put glass at 50. Backed up to 100 and wore the paint off the 4" that's good enough for me at the moment. This weekend I will get a shoot n see out and see if I can squeeze a bit more accuracy out, but it would only be elevation my windage is perfect. I grew up shooting irons and am really comfortable with them doing a bit of a hold under so I don't blur out my target with the sight post. Problem can be depending on the iron you are taking 1-1.5moa jumps with ever click of the post...from what I can tell I'm getting about 1.5" per click and if I do any more of a hold under meh may not wanna be 4" high at 100. I'd use this for deer in a nano second our ranges are 100 or less and I know it's a 2moa gun worst case scenario with some magnification. I use high shoulder/spine shots on deer and this round would do all that and more no problemo.

Got 2 more tuesday night and for once actually had to take a long shot. Smoked a piglet of a group of maybe 8 my buddy missed the sow. So we go to the next field since they were about 10 yards from the woods. Sure enough she come out in the high grass. appears, disappears, appears.....after about 20 seconds she stops ina little clearing. I guesstimated she was 150 yards at least and passed on a head shot as I was leaning off a truck and went for double lung and she dropped on face front legs collapsed, jumped up and did the disco circle got her in the gut she crumpled put one more in her for good measure you can see the 3rd shot i put in her titties. We walked off to what we put at jus shy of 200. Felt good to log a hog at that distance with thermal as I've said before our average shot is usually 50 yards max.

Ran the Cproducts 10 and Ross Zheng Unimag both run great. Going to ditch the ASC's too hard to load and keep running the RNZ. CPD is still a November backorder on 20's but getting ready to ship 30's. RNZ holds 24 x39 and loads with same pressure from first to last. Will see how it holds up long term but liking it.
Piglet at maybe 40 yards....not a clear pic sorry not a photo pro, but see a little dark behind head and under chin that's blood from noggin shot.


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Mama 10 minutes later. While nowhere near the footprint of that brown boarzilla from last Friday this ol girl weighed a lot she was like a ton of bricks....took out a lot of little trouble makers right there.
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After 7 days I believe I may like this rifle more than anything I've used in years. 30 caliber punch on the cheap with recoil of tame ar15, eats Wolf and Tula FMJ/HP/SP like a fat boy loves cake, an x39 which can use at least 3 different makes of mag worry free(asc, cpd, rnz) and extremely light carrying 24 rounds.
coming from a 308AR this is a treat which will be extra nice when can gets here.

**Just weighed it with a crude measurement of 8.5 pounds with loaded mag and thermal. Weighed myself and then subtracted from weigh in + rifle.
 
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437

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What type of accuracy do you get out of it on paper? When you can get a beast like this that feeds right why would you buy a mini 30 or AK. I still want their 11.5 7.62x39 upper.

Ok got a little paper tuning in and I was a bit higher at 50 than I though with irons it's always tough to get as exacting with paint/steel. I did some work with ballistics software after getting the BC and backing(they test x39 in 16")from Wolf(125 grain SP)and settled on a 25 yard zero for irons which gives me .98 high at 50, 1.5 high at 100 and -4 at 200. At 25 I tore edges of bullet holes on 3 of 5 and extrapolating those margins out to 100 in theory would be a 1.5-1.75" group at 100. In practice I moved back to 100 and was right at 3" which is fine by me with irons. I went back to the edge of the range at 340 and got a few hits on the IDPA steel with first batch, but a lot of misses low could see impacts in dry dirt shy of target. Oddly the best shots were the first ones at 340:/ Out of practice doing hold overs that far blotting out target. I do windage corrections with irons out there and try to set proper elevation then move in from side with windage and keep elevation steady, but rusty! Fun to keep at it though part of the reason I went to this round was b/c I can shoot tons on the cheap. I was able to get this batch at .19/round on a crazy promo at Sportsman's Guide so crazy inexpensive right now to shoot. 40 rounds cost me $7.60....and this is my hunting round not target ammo so get to 'practice like I play'.

On a side note I am pretty impressed with how this long stroke piston deals with the filth of steel cased ammo. The bolt and carrier were literally spotless not even a spec of anything just CLP and that was ~ 160 rounds b/t cleaning. The distal end of the piston had some build up on it which came right off with a cloth patch/CLP and the op rod just a tiny smidge. Super clean running at least unsuppressed.....sure it will be a dirty mofo like any gun with a can though.
 
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